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INTERVIEW

right thing. What is interesting to me       in a practical way implement, execute
is when people say “what was the big         and get it (the work) done? Having a
lesson for you?” – well, the big lesson      few people that have actually been in
for me was this combination of people        these positions is very important to
and the word communication. It usu-          giving the students a full round of un-
ally took 90% of my time and that is a       derstanding of theory and practice.
surprise even to some leaders because
they would say, Harry, if you are spend-           It must have been a great pleasure
ing 90 to 95 % of your time on people        to be part of such a program.
and communication, when do you get
things done? I would always smile and           H. Craemers: I have to say it is a great
say to them, well think about this, if       honor for me. I always tell students
– that famous two letter English word        that I very much enjoy being an execu-
– if I got all the right people and they     tive, I very much enjoy being in busi-
are all being developed and everybody        ness, but I love more being a professor.
knows exactly what we need to do,            What I learned is, at least for me, un-
what else is there to do!                    til I can explain something clearly to a
                                             group of very bright people, I may think
       You are also a so-called clinical     I understand it, but not really. For me
professor at Kellogg School of Man-          to be able now to really almost have a
agement at Northwestern University           calling to have a small impact on the
in Chicago. Kellogg Business School          next generation of people that are go-
is ranked as number six in USA, and          ing to be leading organizations around
its MBA program is number 15 in the          the world, it’s a blessing, I thoroughly
whole world. Clinical professor means        enjoy it very much. I told the students
a professor who is not full-time en-         that when I ended up being elected by
gaged in research capacity, but pro-         the students professor of the year that
vides input based on professional            was more important to me than being
knowledge and skills. What do you            the CEO of a company.
think about this method of using top
quality business experience for educa-              You are author of best-selling
tional purposes - the combination of         books on leadership. One of the books
theory and practice?                         is titled: “From Values to Action: The
                                             Four Principles of Value-Based Lead-
   H. Craemers: One of the things that       ership”. Can you tell us about the four
I always say up front when I teach           principles you write about in this book?
people is: I don’t know if I have many
answers, but I have many opinions. I            H. Craemers: What I realized, before
think it’s very important to have peo-       I can lead other people, the first thing
ple with a PhD and academic training         I have to do is I need to be able to lead
so that they can learn the theory, they      myself. And in order to lead myself I
can understand the framework, the            need to become self-aware, I need to
history, the process. However, partic-       really understand how I can lead my-
ularly in a top business school in the       self in a way that I can set an example
world, it is very important in addition      for how I am going to act with other
to understanding the theory and the          people. In a systematic way of be-
framework that they also understand          ing able to explain this I decided that
in a very classical way, what is it like to  there really are what I call four prin-
be a division president, a chief finan-      ciples that will help me and help any-
cial officer, a CEO of a multi-billion       one become and be ready to be a lead-
dollar company? How do you take the          er. They are self reflection, balance,
theory and the framework and actu-           true self confidence, genuine humility.
ally put it into practice? How do you        The thought process goes like this. In

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