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INTERVIEW

                              monitoring of the elections, containing        win 60 MPs, which is much more equita-
                              recommendations regarding all stages of        ble distribution than in the first case.
                              the election process. Some of the observa-
                              tions, conclusions and recommendations               Step further is the issue of a model
                              are based on these reports, prepared in        with closed and a model with open lists?
                              the past 13 years, as well as on the pre-      What would the voting look like in case of
                              vious experience related to the improve-       a proportional election system with open
                              ment of the election process. Of course,       lists?
                              we also consulted the international elec-
                              tion standards and comparative experi-            D. Aleksov: According to the variant of
                              ences.                                         open lists, proposed by MOST (because
                                                                             even within the open lists there are more
                                    Let us focus on those parts of your      sub-variants) a table with ordinal num-
                              recommendations that caused the great-         bers from 1 to 20 would be added on the
                              est public interest. First, what is your       ballot, to be used for voting on candidates,
                              position on the election system, do you        or so-called preferential voting.Voters
                              prefer a majoritarian or a proportional        would first vote for the candidate list as
                              system? What are their strengths and           a whole, as before, then they would circle
                              weaknesses? What do international expe-        one or several ordinal numbers in the ta-
                              riences show?                                  ble, whereby they would vote for a certain
                                                                             number of candidates from that list. The
   In the election theory        D. Aleksov: In the election theory it has   number of preferential votes in the coun-
            it has long been  long been established that there is no per-    tries with open lists commonly ranges
                              fect election model, nor that any election     from 1 to 5.
  established that there      model is better or worse than any other.
    is no perfect election    It depends on the goals you set and the               What are the international experi-
                              conditions in which the model is applied.      ences in terms of open lists in the propor-
      model, nor that any     In countries with heterogeneous ethnic         tional election systems?
election model is better      composition of the population, such as
                              Macedonia, it is recommended to use the           D. Aleksov: Experiences show that an
         or worse than any    proportional model, because it provides        increasing number of countries with a
other. It depends on the      mirroring of the society in the political      proportional election system opt for in-
                              system, i.e. it provides the highest level of  troducing open lists, which are most com-
    goals you set and the     representation of the various elements in      mon in the European countries and the
 conditions in which the      the society. The proportional model has        EU Member States. Of the 20 EU Member
                              another advantage over the majoritarian        States with a proportional electoral sys-
           model is applied   model because it produces fewer so-called      tem, 18 use some form of open lists. Last
                              „lost votes“. For instance, let us assume      countries that moved from closed to open
                              that we have a majoritarian model with         lists are Croatia and Italy.
                              only 2 parties. Macedonia would be divid-
                              ed into 120 electoral districts in each one          What would be the benefits of intro-
                              of which oneMP will be elected and if in       ducing open lists?
                              all those electoral districts party A wins
                              with only one vote more than party B, it          D. Aleksov: Taking into account the
                              will mean that it will win all 120 seats, al-  views of the two major political parties
                              though it would win only 120 votes more        regarding the election system, it should
                              than the other party (1 vote more in each      be pointed out that open lists combine the
                              electoral district). If in the same example    benefits of both the majoritarian and the
                              the elections are conducted according to       proportional election systems. Namely,
                              the current proportional model with 6          voters can vote for candidates (as in the
                              electoral districts, the 120-vote difference   majoritarian system), but the number of
                              (20 votes in each electoral district) will     MP seats the party will win depends on the
                              not mean anything, i.e. each party would       percentage of votes it won (characteristics

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